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ShawnB
06-08-2009, 09:32 AM
Overall I had a pretty good day out there. That race seems to be very competitive - lots of really fast people out there. It’s a good event and I’d definitely recommend it. I’ve been going well in training and was looking forward to seeing if I could put together a solid day.

One thing about Oliver is that the distances are a little screwy. The swim is 2K instead of 1.9K. There is a ~400m run from the swim into a huge transition area. The bike is a mile long at 57 miles. But everyone does it so it’s no big deal, it’s just odd.

Swim:

First few minutes sucked as always…I got knocked around a lot. I have to remind myself the beginning of the swim is the worst part. By about 500m into it, I'd started to loosen up and get into a rhythm and the rest of the swim went by really fast. I remember thinking in the last few hundred meters “hmmm, I don’t feel like I’ve been out here very long, I think I’m going well.” I knew that I was working my way up through the group, and I resisted the urge to hammer the last part of the swim and just cruised it in. My watch read 32:20 when I stepped under the arch – that’s a minute faster than I swam at Troika last year, even with the extra 100m. Nice.

The 3 minute run on pavement from the water to T1…less nice.

Bike:

I tried to start the bike easy, but probably should have gone easier. I’m not terribly pleased with my performance on the bike – my power numbers we well below what I commonly do on longer training rides. Fortunately they had a 1.5 bike length (yes, you read that right) gap rule, so the race was damn near draft legal. In some ways it may have been better for me to be forced to get into my own rhythm but I shot for a 2-bike-length gap and legally drafted where I could. My legs felt like crap but finally came around at about 35 miles. One of my big issues is fueling on the bike – a dummy alarm plus an Aerodrink helped a lot. I got through 400+ cals of CarboPro in the first 90 minutes on the bike. That’s like huge for me. Legs felt better through the ride, was looking forward to the run, got off at about 2:35. Not great, not bad given how I felt.

Run:

I’ve been running very well and wanted to run close to 1:30, which is 4:15 Ks. Ks are nice - they click right on by! I did my first few right on 4:15 until I hit the dirt part of the course and then slowed down to about 4:30. By about 5K though, I started to loosen up and felt awesome on the run from about 7K through 15K or so. But I could never get back down to those 4:15s, it just wasn’t in there. But I was still running fast enough to be working my way up through the group. At about 6K to go, I started feeling cramp twinges in my calves and quads, not unusual, but I was worried about how the dirt/gravel would affect it. It didn’t, but I really started hurting in the last 5K up and over the hilly part of the course. The last K seemed to last forever but I made it back in with a 1:36 run split and a 4:50 overall. 9th in AG, 43rd OA, which is better than a sharp stick in they eye.

But the best part of the day was seeing so many people on the course workin it. Between the VO2 folks, Owen and Polita, and folks from the Osoyoos camp I did, there was lots of high fives and shout outs. Great fun.

I never saw Michael on the course (someone check that guy’s mat splits), but was able to witness ongoing domination in motion by Ms. Nielsen and a solid race from Deb as well who really left it on the course. :)

Cindybigglestone
06-08-2009, 09:57 AM
ahhhhh looks like your one of those damn swimmers too :p Great job...sounds like a race I'll have to do some day. Especially with the cool drafting rules :o)

benbiggles
06-08-2009, 10:03 AM
Great work out there Shawn. Yeah the soft surface is a double edged sword for me, on one hand it is softer so tends to help my legs out if they are borderline cramping, on the other hand less energy return means slower running! C'est la vie.

Yeah, more calories buddy, can you not simply give yourself an allocation of gels and just take one every 20 mins?? If you did this you would get at least 700 down your neck and it would also act as a cue to drink some fluid. Just a thought, maybe you hate gels....I am sure you will work this out though. I would bonk on just 400 cals.

ShawnB
06-08-2009, 10:07 AM
I am sure you will work this out though. I would bonk on just 400 cals.

I actually had about 650 - there was probably more like 450 of carbo pro in there, plus I had a gel, plus a redbull.

I just have to be really careful. That's where the dummy alarm came in, kept the cals coming in smoothly. If I get behind or over do it, bang, my stomach shuts down and starts rejecting everything. It's still a question mark to see if I could keep up the intake rate from that first 90 minutes for 5 hours, I'll try soon.

My stomach wasn't terribly happy with the gel I took, and I nipped at it for a bit even. On the other hand, the rest of me seemed to like the caffinne in it.

So I think even 7 gels over 2 hours would be trouble on the bike. I can take them pretty comfortably on the run though, it's weird.

benbiggles
06-08-2009, 10:16 AM
Stomach can definitely be compromised from the aero position, might be something to think about. Also you simply have to rehearse your nutritional strategy every week in training, the body (as you know) can be trained to accept what you are asking of it. Interestingly Scott (Hill) is now using Max Energy (http://www.endurancemaxenergy.com/) after numerous issues with other calorie based products and is having tremendous success, this could be your answer Shawn, hey worth a try anyway right.

ShawnB
06-08-2009, 10:25 AM
Yes, aero is definitely a factor. I'm much better on a the road bike.

I started with Max training for my first IM...same problems.

This was a big improvement though, so I'll see where this takes me, then may consider raising bars a bit, etc.

Kara
06-08-2009, 11:13 AM
Hey Shawn,

Awesome job out there yesterday. You looked super strong on the run course both times I saw you. You kicked butt out there.

As we talked about briefly yesterday, I also struggle with significant stomach issues in races. It is truly my biggest issue/stressor going into each race. I have noticed that how hard I push in the aero position directly impacts if I get a stomach cramp. Simply sitting up for a few seconds and stretching my stomach seems to help after a big push up a hill (very basic advice, but it does help - I would rather sacrifice a few seconds to do that than to potentially cramp on the run and have to walk.) I have also noticed that not having enough calories is a big factor (I used to think it was too many calories which gave me cramps) and making sure that you are very regimented with your calorie intake. I set my watch alarm to go off every 20minutes as a reminder to drink the calories down (7 gels would be too heavy for my stomach,) followed by gatorade or water. No matter what, I adhere to this and the stretching and I seem to be okay in half irons (Olympic distances are whole other best for my stomach:))

I am sure this perspective is very basic and that you have tried it all, but I just though I would throw it out there. Have you tried increasing the number of endurolytes that you take? That actually seems to help my stomach a little too.

K

ShawnB
06-08-2009, 08:52 PM
Thanks Kara.

Yes, this lines up well with my experience as well. We can be weak-tummy-buddies. Courses like IMCDA or IMC are good for me because the climbs give me time to get out of aero - it makes a big difference.

The key for me yesterday though was cadence that I was taking in cals, plus a lot of water. I put my dummy alarm at 6 minutes so I was taking in fluids and fuel 10x per hour. BIG difference...I honestly don't think I've ever gotten in more than 250 cals an hour before and I went through about 425 in the first 90 minutes without issue.

The other thing is that I've started using an aerodrink this year and I took in a lot of water yesterday. Oh, funny story though. I have one of the newer Aerodrinks with the valve thing in the cap. At the 2nd aid station, I stuck the water bottle in there, emptied it, and pulled it out and tossed it. Just as it left my hand I saw that the Aerodrink cap was still attached! So I did the last 2/3 of the bike with no cap on my Aerodrink. On those crappy roads, yeah, I ended up wearing as much water as I was drinking. It's always something, isn't it?

BryanU
06-08-2009, 10:09 PM
Great race Shawn!

Have you tried InfinIT? I don't generally have stomach issues (except when using Hammer HEED or Perpetuem - they kill me even if I'm not exercising) but my caloric intake breakthrough was at Troika a few years ago and came from an InfinIT formula I concocted with a little over 300 calories and then as much sodium/electrolytes as I could get in without the osmalality going too heavy. Then, I chased it with as much of a bottle of clear water as I could guzzle in an aid station (yes, a bit full feeling for a minute after but no issues).
I usually set the calorie type slider to have more short-course type calories than long-course and I think that helped. I raced that race basically all out from start to finish and never had any stomach issues and drank over 40oz an hour with an average HR of 86% of max.

ShawnB
06-09-2009, 10:06 AM
Great race Shawn!

but my caloric intake breakthrough was at Troika a few years ago and came from an InfinIT formula I concocted with a little over 300 calories and then as much sodium/electrolytes as I could get in without the osmalality going too heavy. Then, I chased it with as much of a bottle of clear water as I could guzzle in an aid station (yes, a bit full feeling for a minute after but no issues).

Do you mean 300 calories total, or 300 calories per hour?

InfinIT is definitely something I"ve considered. The mix I used on Sunday was 4 scoops of CarboPro (should be jsut under 450 cals) and a NUUN tablet in a large 28oz water bottle. Right with you on pouring the clar water in, too. How many are you getting in total for a HIM or an IM with that system?

BryanU
06-09-2009, 11:17 AM
That's 300 per hour (or more, depending on how strong you mix it). For a HIM, if I expect to ride around 2 1/2 hours, I'll plan to bring at least 3 hours worth - 900-1100 calories, usually with a normal mix in the aero bottle and one two-hour concentrate bottle. I usually don't get through all 3 hours worth but I'll try to plan the timing so I get in at least 750 cals. I also usually put a gel in my jersey or shorts just in case so I can keep fueling during a flat repair or whatever. I've also found that I don't take in calories as well on the run, probably because I run too hard, so I try to get more in early on the bike.

Do you mean 300 calories total, or 300 calories per hour?

InfinIT is definitely something I"ve considered. The mix I used on Sunday was 4 scoops of CarboPro (should be jsut under 450 cals) and a NUUN tablet in a large 28oz water bottle. Right with you on pouring the clar water in, too. How many are you getting in total for a HIM or an IM with that system?